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I Brother Bloood I · Oct 02, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Why does it seem to me that necromancers are getting old and theres not much to them anymore... I mean still death magic is favored for minions. Blood spikes. And curses are either anti caster or anti war... i feel that the new skills are just helping us get into these builds more not anything new. My question is can anyone right now come up with a new build that uses core and nightfall skills to make a good build that doesnt involve minions(death) spike damage (blood) or anti war/caster (curses)?

Zinger314 · Oct 02, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

That's 2 more roles than most classes.

Arkantos · Oct 02, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Tainted Necro has nothing to do with minions.

Cyprus · Oct 02, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

What do you expect the other classes to gain from Nightfall?

I seriously doubt monks will stop healing/protecting, warriors from fighting melee, elementalists from nuking, etc.

Necros are a very diverse class. They can be batteries, SS, MM, Blood spike, whatever.

BoredJoe · Oct 02, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

It's probably a sign that you should try another class, ele or mesmer or such. You've pretty much said you're tired of the current effective necro combinations, anything else is pretty fringe and wouldn't satisfy you for very long.

What is this for though, PvE, PvP? ABs, RA, TA, Aspenwood?

Age · Oct 02, 2006, 03:29 AM // 03:29

That is right Monks can't smit in groups although it is one of thier attributes but never get chance to use it in a group.Mesmers can do anything as well and the same with Eles.I do have a necro but don't play him much as my Monk and he only has Proh.

Scavenger Rage · Oct 02, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

I use an EOE spike build whith my necro...

I won't spoil the fun of you guys figguring it out, but my elite is Icy Veins and I am N/Me ^^

I use this to do most of my PVE since it is very versatile and does an obcene ammout of dmg

Diversity of builds there are a lot, the problem is that most people only know the cookie cutter ones (MM, battery etc etc) and do near anything or anything at all to modify these....god forbides creating something enterely new!!!

Latter.

kazjun · Oct 02, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

I like using a degen/discord build with minions just for energy and bodyblocking in pve. Quite fun and a little different than just going straight MM or SS, though I do both.

cloudbunny · Oct 02, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage

I use an EOE spike build whith my necro...

I won't spoil the fun of you guys figguring it out, but my elite is Icy Veins and I am N/Me ^^
I use this to do most of my PVE since it is very versatile and does an obcene ammout of dmg

EOE with a N/Me? Now I'm curious! That at least rules out going with non-hero henchies.
I used a build with Icy Veins in party taken on the Grenth's Servants quest in UW. My build contained Minions, Death Nova, Icy Veins, Putrid explosion, EoE, Well of Profanity, troll and rez. I did think about going Echo-Icy Veins for increased efficiency but, we had no one else with EoE.

To OP:
There are load of different necro builds. The reason for the dominance of MM, SS, Blood-spike and battery are that they are very effective to do what they do. They are also well tested, pretty easy to understand/play and not at least - accepted as effective builds by the non-necro community.

Just go around on necro/build sections on this and other sites and you will find more necro builds than you can ever dream of having time to play. Some more effective than others, but many of them very viable. Some takes a lot of skill to play effective some are more easy to take out directly and play.

The main limitation, as I see it, is not the options on the necro side. It is fact that "the community" embrace very few options for each proffesion. The necro's are relatively lucky - we have MM, SS, Battery, Spike and Order that may get us into PUG's. Water Eles, Monk Smiters, Beastmasters or whole proffesions like Assassins and Mesmers are much less accepted into parties than that.

My advice is to find some decent friends/guildies that accept non-standard builds and together go out and test fun builds for the different proffesions. That at least give me a lot of very great gaming experiences - and you learn a lot on the way as well.

Regards,
Cloudbunny

thelaughingcorpse · Oct 02, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

I guess you can't really say Necromancers are getting old. If that, then all classes are getting old as well.

Pick Me · Oct 02, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

I Brother Blood I,

You should trying to experiment. I do, I don't go with other people's builds, I create my own and wonder around abit. I find it fun to see what does what, what works with what, and what skills seem good, and what doesn't.

I hench (so I don't angre anyone) and cast my spells (N/Me) and see what new types of combinations I can create. I do this when I feel a bit bored with my Necro and want to try something new. Now that I've finished both campaigns with almost all of my characters (all but my Assassin), I can experiment and have fun.

Hope you find your inner Necromancer spark again.

I Brother Bloood I · Oct 02, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

It just doesnt seem like im used for much anymore other than ss and mm i barely use blood anymore. Btw i dont have to try other classes since i have a war, ranger, monk, rit, ele, and necro i pretty much played all including assassin and mesmer(just dont have pve one). Its just i really am getting tired of my necro already... i havent even beat factions with it...

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Definitely switch off to another class for a while, and in a short time you'll find yourself gravitating back to your necromancer. Simply sounds like class burnout to me.

I Brother Bloood I · Oct 02, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I checked out the necromancer state of game "thingy" and forgot to mention i mean pvp... wups :-P

~ Brother Bloood - "Henchmen Are Richer Than Gold Farmers!!!!!!111111111"

Hella Good · Oct 03, 2006, 03:30 AM // 03:30

Ugh... what do you expect? Necros have death magic, blood spikes, and hexes. That's all there is. If you think it's boring, then, yes, probably you need to switch profs for some diveristy. Necros got THE best NF skills, and I see no reason whatsoever for complaining. Ravenous Gaze spike is going to clearly be popular. Jagged Bomber, too. RM will rule supreme hex heavy builds and blood spikes where OoB used to be the standard. You also have these new AoE hexes (Ulcerous Lungs, Meakness) that I think are going to come very handy. Etc., etc. There is tons of new stuff to do in NF... but yes, you will be either summoning minions, or blood spiking, or hexing, or some sort of support (tain, or battery, or whatever), because, well, that's what Necros do!

I Brother Bloood I · Oct 03, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Im tryin to work my way to good pvp guilds so i want to use all my options before i get into one and so far its either my war or monk id use the most but i love my necro!

B Nothing · Oct 04, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

If I look around I do see more and more people using ready made builds (party or not) ... If you're not running a certain kind of build (fi SS or MM) people won't even take you into there party, so yes, more and more people are using the standard builds and yes, if this goes on, N and all other prof. will get old

I think it's partly because to many people only play to win iso just play for fun ... I'm not the best player there is and I get my backside kicked all to often, but I love this game and try to try out diff builds every so often ... that's what keeps it "new/fresh" for me

br0thergr1m · Oct 04, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I completely aggree with ^^ B Nothing. Its very true...if you arent running MM or SS...lol gl finding a group. I know some professions have it worse (monks). But definately the fun is starting to be zapped for PuGs unwilling to be flexible.

Pick Me · Oct 04, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by br0thergr1m

I completely aggree with ^^ B Nothing. Its very true...if you arent running MM or SS...lol gl finding a group. I know some professions have it worse (monks). But definately the fun is starting to be zapped for PuGs unwilling to be flexible.

It is true that most PUGs will request a MM or SS, but who said you can't do something that is not the same as a tired old build? I say, SS lfg for mission. I carry SS then I carry other spells that are not indicative to the typical SS build. Samething as me saying batter lfg for mission. I may or maynot bring BiP, I may just bring BR instead.

If you just say 1 skill name, that's all you need to bring, then bring other skills as well.

I do see from time to time, GLF 1 more for mission. So look for those and try out your new build(s). It may work out.

Kusandaa · Oct 04, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by B Nothing

If I look around I do see more and more people using ready made builds (party or not) ... If you're not running a certain kind of build (fi SS or MM) people won't even take you into there party, so yes, more and more people are using the standard builds and yes, if this goes on, N and all other prof. will get old

I think it's partly because to many people only play to win iso just play for fun ... I'm not the best player there is and I get my backside kicked all to often, but I love this game and try to try out diff builds every so often ... that's what keeps it "new/fresh" for me

I don't really personally think necros are getting old. I try new builds every now and then, but my baby is minion mastery

. We're useful, deal damage, body block and we don't have troubles getting in groups. Still, there's a limit to the things I'll try because some stuff just DOESN'T work.

Example:
Yesterday I was a monk in Arborstone with your average group; the MM was set N/W, Tyrian collector armor. So yeah... probably a skill capper (I do that often). We go in, he raises his minions, they're lv10 (the minions - he told me he had 12 death magic). So yeah... newbie at minion mastery: let's give him some tips.

I really went nuts later in the mission. I realized he was wielding a FDS and an Aegis shield. Let's see all of this all of this. He's tanking with a Tyrian collector armor, spamming BotM to keep his lv10 minions alive while tanking, no defense, no blood spells... GG. And then saying he insisted in saying he was a tank... I tried giving him tips (well, that AL60 wasn't suitable for tanking, and with the spells he had) , but I wound up raging (2 AFKers, one hench, 2 quitters).

People like this surely don't help others testing builds in PUGs...